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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 8, 2008 3:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some incomplete shows

All true.... I just decided to focus on one season where we had almost every show, but in strangely incomplete condition. I'm pretty sure it's due to the reels not being taken care of, being mislaid & lost early on. There are various shows later in 1970 that are also incomplete (4/11/70 being one that bugs me the most, that being a Dark Star show)....but that can't compare to all the shows that have just vanished.
Bear may have been stuck in California, but if you notice the locations of taped shows up to June, it's all over - Texas, Arizona, one Port Chester show, Florida, Ohio, a couple more New York shows, Cambridge, Missouri, Hawaii...some of these may have been "outside" taping jobs, but I think the band's crew must have been still taping without Bear, at least til May or June. Some shows that we should have on soundboard, we don't - 3/7/70 Santa Monica (the next night was taped), 4/10/70 Fillmore West (all the early '70 shows there were taped). So I suspect there was a mass disappearance of reels at some point....or maybe not....

Other than the intrepid audience-tapers, I also have to applaud the Fillmore East crews for making their own tapes, and wonder why they apparently didn't tape the great July '70 shows. (And what happened to 9/17/70, did they miss that too? Fortunately the audience tape that night is very good.)
It would be nice to know what the band's thoughts were....why they decided to stop taping mid-year if someone besides Bear was recording, and why they started again in December?
These are things there are no real answers for anymore, it's just fun to speculate....

I also wonder who was keeping the reels back in 1970, and why.....the band didn't have much interest in them, who would? The mass of shows from 1969 alone would've been quite a storage headache for someone. The story of Betty's storage-locker is rather sad, and gives some indication of how little value old show recordings had within the Dead - many of her reels were also water-damaged. (On the bright side, if collectors hadn't gotten this stash, we'd probably still not have heard some of those shows today.)
By the way, all GD releases say in the liner notes who recorded them - Betty recorded a bunch of multitracks, the Academy of Music shows, and several late '70s shows that were Dick's Picks. (The released '73/74 shows were done by Kidd Candelario.)

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Aug 8, 2008 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some incomplete shows

This is another example of how Owsley's contribution is easily overlooked.

It seems paradoxical, but somehow this irascible eccentric was always pushing them to do the best, the furthest, that was possible, whether in the quality of psychedelics, the sound system, or the recordings. The various memoirs and McNally's book plainly show that he could be a real pain -- I think Jerry said something like, "There's nothing wrong with Bear that a few million less brain cells wouldn't cure" -- but when he disappeared from the scene for a while, a lot of important things fell apart. Maybe all the missing shows are at his place in Australia.

BTW, the early recording procedures, how the band treated the nightly tapes, and similar topics are discussed in some detail in the preliminary chapters of the Deadheads' Taping Compendium volumes, although there's still much that we don't know.

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Poster: Donnie L. Date: Aug 8, 2008 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some incomplete shows

Evidently, Bear does probably have some cassettes , how good they are in quality I don't know...I remember somebody back in the early 90's complained about why Bear was holding onto alot of stuff and then there was mysterious release of some rare shows from 68 - 72...I think Bear did push the band alot and that's all not too bad in the grand scheme but I don't know his personality and how others took it....I find him a enigma of the highest degree...he is very fascinating

Donnie L.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Aug 9, 2008 12:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some incomplete shows

I hope Bear's stash of recordings see the light of day sometime. He not only recorded the Dead's sets, but also the other bands on whatever show the Grateful Dead played when he mixed the sound.
A recent example are the Avalon Ballroom recordings from April '69 of the Flying Burrito Brothers sets that came out on CD last year.Gram Parsons fans were ecstatic over the great quality recording Bear came up with. They were shocked that these recordings came from the Grateful Dead's vault! They had no idea they even existed!
We take for granted sometimes what a great job of recording Owsley did back in the day. You listen to "bootlegs" of other bands from this era, and how ragged the recordings are much of the time and find a deeper appreciation for what a great job the Grateful Dead's recordists did. Not only Owsley, but Bob Matthews, Betty Cantor-Jackson, Dan Healy, Kidd Candelario and all the rest.

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2008-08-09 07:41:47

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 9, 2008 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some incomplete shows

Yea and we're listening to all of them here Down under muahahahaha.

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Poster: secret8476 Date: Aug 8, 2008 5:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: some incomplete shows

These are all great posts and I am certainly glad you all took the time to inform us all a bit more about what was going on during that era. Thats really what I wanted to know is - what was goin on around then. See..... 1969 looks like a fairly good year for the tapes. With the exception of july and october, it looks like there is alot of complete info about sets and shows and what not. One would think as time goes by, they would have gotten better handle on those things. But in light of their bust - and bears lsd incident, i could see where 70 was actaully in more disarray then 69 was- which, ya know - if a bunch of shows were missing from ANY of those early years (68-69-70-71) it would be a shame. But 70 in particular cuz i think we can all agree that the band was just doing amazing things around this time. Hence my pondering.

But truly i wanted to say thanks for all the people that looked into that and gave us some more good info. Mebbe in the future, we can expect to be surprised by some hidden treasure that comes in the form of a complete 2-2-70 amongst other wonderful 70's shows.=)

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